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» stocktiger - What Muhammad means to Muslims

Lately I have been avoiding adding to this debate but the last few posts beg for further education.

In 1996 when Clinton was King their were elections in Israel. A few months before said elections suddenly there was a rash of suicide bombings in Israel. I WAS THERE and saw it first hand. The Israelis had a choice to elect a liberal or right wing PM. The bombings were done to influence the Israelis to vote in a strong right wing PM.

Why would the Palestinians do this? Did they not want peace? Why did Arafat sanction this? Easy answer, they did not want peace. I personally saw Arafats palaces in Jordon. He profited immensely while keeping his people dirt poor and blaming Israelis for it. Of course the same dirt poor folk were dirt poor before Israel was EVER a nation.

No one including Israel has clean hands in this mess but the constant blaming of Israel to incite the Muslim world is just wrong. Israelis want peace, they do not want control of the ME and for sure do not teach their children to hate Muslims in a school environment.

Violence begets violence and I for one am sick to death of the whole situation.
Golda Meir was right when she said "When the Muslims learn to love their children more than they hate Israel then and only then can their be peace." I feel deep sympathy for all sides and especially for the poor Arabic pawns the Muslim world uses to blame Israel.

How many Muslim world leaders have spoken out against random non-military attacks? Think about it, visit the ME and/or at least form intelligent informed opinions. This weekend their were more violent clashes between Fatah and Hamas, very sad state of affairs in Gaza but hey lets blame Israel (not).

-- posted by stocktiger

» rasputin - Obsession - Radical Islam

If you watch or listen to Fox, you probably already know this. This show will be on Saturday night and Sunday. Oughta' be interesting.

-- posted by rasputin

» javelin - Obsession - Radical Islam

If you watch or listen to Fox.

Is that the fair and balanced news network I've heard about?

-- posted by javelin

» rasputin - Islam - Religion of Peace

I'm tired of people trying to sell that load of crap. Islam is doomed. The Muslims who are genuinely peace-loving (not the "yes, but..." Muslims) have lost control. Maybe never had it.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8...

Baghdad blasts: More than 150 dead

The Sadr City bombings wrecked entire streets. A series of car bombs have killed at least 157 people in the predominantly Shia neighbourhood of Sadr City in Baghdad, in one of the deadliest spate of attacks since the US invasion three years ago.

Armed men also attacked the city's health ministry and fought security guards in a fierce gun battle, trapping 2,000 employees inside.

The six bombs, apparently coordinated, and a mortar blast in different parts of Sadr City, also left at least 268 more people wounded and wrecked whole streets.

Fires were blazing after the blasts and the government imposed a curfew across the capital, banning people and cars from the streets.

Officials said the toll could rise since many of the dead have been reduced to scattered body parts and not been fully counted.

After dark, there was sporadic gunfire in several districts.

State-run television said the Iraqi government has closed Baghdad International Airport to all commercial flights until further notice.

One of the blasts went off at a market, a regular target for Sunni fighters in the sectarian conflict that has killed thousands of people in Iraq. The neighbourhood is a stronghold of the Shia cleric Moqtada al-Sadr.

Interior ministry sources said five people were wounded at the health ministry building, about 5km from Sadr City.

"The gunmen came in civilian cars and pick-up trucks and started shooting at the building"

The attackers fired mortars, rocket-propelled grenades and machine guns into the compound. The ministry is run by followers of al-Sadr.

Hakim al-Zamili, the deputy health minister, was trapped in the building with the employees.

He said: "First, a series of mortars were fired at the building from the nearby Al-Fadhel neighbourhood, and then about 100 masked gunmen holding machine guns attacked.

"The gunmen came in civilian cars and pick-up trucks and started shooting at the building and wounded a number of employees."

The attackers later withdrew after clashes with American and Iraqi security forces.

A health ministry spokesman said: "The gunmen fled as American helicopters and Iraqi armoured vehicles arrived. Employees were [later] able to leave."

The fighting lasted for several hours but the attackers failed to break into the ministry compound.

-- posted by rasputin

» runner26 - Islam - Religion of Peace

Islam is doomed.

Yea, right. Dream on!

Islam is the second-largest religion in the world today, with an estimated 1.4 billion adherents.

-- posted by runner26

» rasputin - Islam - Religion of Peace

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I understand what you thought I meant. No, Islam is not doomed as in going out of existence. There are a coupla' other meanings to the "doomed" thing. "Tragic fate" comes to mind.

-- posted by rasputin

» rasputin - Islam - Religion of Peace

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Shiites Burn Six Sunni Worshippers Alive
Nov 24 10:45 AM US/Eastern

By QAIS AL-BASHIR
Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq

Shiite militiamen grabbed six Sunnis as they left Friday worship services, doused them with kerosene and burned them alive near an Iraqi army post. The soldiers did not intervene, police Capt. Jamil Hussein said.

The savage revenge attack for Thursday's slaughter of 215 people in the Shiite Sadr City slum occurred as members of the Mahdi Army militia burned four mosques, and several homes while killing an unknown number of Sunni residents in the once-mixed Hurriyah neighborhood.

Gunmen loyal to radical anti-American Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr began taking over the neighborhood this summer and a majority of its Sunni residents already had fled.

-- posted by rasputin

» stocktiger - Islam - Religion of Blood

JERUSALEM - Israeli troops withdrew from the Gaza Strip as a last-minute cease-fire deal took hold Sunday morning, but two major Palestinian militant groups, saying they had no intention of stopping their attacks, fired volleys of homemade rockets into Israel.

The ongoing rocket attacks by Hamas and Islamic Jihad tempered hopes for a lasting truce, which was meant to end five months of deadly clashes. The attacks caused no injuries.

So Golda Meir was right. "There can be no peace until the Muslims love their children more than they hate Israelis." Now the whole ME enchilada is hinging on Iran, Syria, and SA all getting involved in Iraqi peace and calling for an answer to the Palestenian issue. There is no answer to terrorism that rhetoric can solve. I am greatly saddened we cannot affect a lasting truce or peace. The West needs to understand we are dealing with hatred of a magnitude that cannot be resolved at a peace talk.

-- posted by stocktiger

» javelin - Islam - Religion of Blood

The West needs to understand we are dealing with hatred of a magnitude that cannot be resolved at a peace talk.

stocktiger...if not peace talks how do we solve the "problem" in the ME, with bombs?

-- posted by javelin

» Normxxx - Islam - Religion of Blood

Well, as Julias Ceasar once remarked, "if you cannot make friends of your enemy, be sure you annihilate him."

As I recall, when Rome finally conquered Carthage, they not only took most of the women and the boys below 13 as slaves, but sowed the fields around Carthage with salt, so no crops could be raised for generations to come. And, salt was not cheap in those days.

If we can't stop Arabs from murdering Arabs in ever more ghastly ways, how do you expect to have a 'peace' between Israel and Hizb'allah, who have sworn never to accept anything except the complete annihilation of Israel?

This is something Arafat well understood! No matter what the terms, no 'peace' is possible with the Arabs. Check out the meaning of blood feud.

-- posted by Normxxx