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» rasputin - A Judgment Rooted in Ignorance

Fitzgerald: A judgment rooted in ignorance
Jihadwatch.org

The teacher, using an instructional guide, told students they would adopt roles as Muslims for three weeks to help them learn what Muslims believe.
She encouraged them to use Muslim names, recited prayers in class, had them memorize and recite a passage from the Quran and made them give up something for a day, such as television or candy, to simulate fasting during the month of Ramadan. - from this news article
What prayers are said? Is the Profession of Faith one of those things that is said? Do little boys and girls say the Shehada, and are then told "now you have done what everyone has to do to become a Muslim"? And if so, is this done under the beaming eye of the teacher? And do the children return home, full of stories about "I recited this prayer and if I want, I can be a Muslim" or "I did just what Muslims do, mom, and it's really neat" or "I really like those prayers, they're just kinda like our prayers so I think the teacher is right, all religions are just the same" or [fill in the seemingly innocent, in reality quite dangerous nonsense]? Those helpless little heads are a captive audience of their teachers, whether those teachers are of the terminally naive variety or the sinister sort. Who suggested this lesson plan? Who's been pushing it?

Neither the judges in the lower courts, nor the Justices of the Supreme Court, know a thing about Islam. They may not realize the psychological effect on young children of having them participate in such a way by not merely studying, but by adopting roles as Muslims. Studying is one thing, if the studying is not simply the usual apologetics and nonsense, focused on such trivia as Ramadan and Iftar and the upright "family values" of Muslims (tell that to Muhammad's Jewish concubine, whose husband, father, brother were killed by Muhammad, or to his Coptic concubine/wife, or to little Aisha and all the little child-brides of today, legalized in Iran and elsewhere, because of Muhammad as the model). Studying should rather focus on the core of Islam that matters so much: the uncompromising division of the world between Believer and Infidel and the endless war between them, which stops only when all obstacles to the dominance of Islam everywhere end, and everywhere Muslims rule.

Would the Supreme Court allow similar indoctrination into any other religion? Would it permit schools to insist that all schoolchildren should study, say, the Baltimore Catechism, and learn to provide the teacher, in a public school, with the memorized answers from that Catechism? How long would that be permitted? Ten seconds?

Where is the ACLU on this? How silly of me to ask, how pointless to wonder.

Like the Executive branch with tarbaby Iraq, and like Congress, which is divided between those who support Bush blindly and those who oppose him equally blindly (with only a handful who see the truth), the Judicial branch of our government thinks it can deal with questions involving Islam without comprehending Islam, without comprehending the psychology of a child who may be affected permanently by a cute little experiment in international living, or rather by a sinister, not innocent, attempt to manipulate minds.

This has to be reconsidered. There must, on the Supreme Court, be one or two capable of comprehending this. There must be one or two who are capable of understanding that Islam is not just a "religion" or, still worse, a religion "of peace and tolerance" or "one of the world's great religions." It is a complete system of regulation of life, a total explanation of the universe, a political and even geopolitical program, together with -- yes -- those Five Pillars of Worship which, of course, are in the damn unit on Islam, the one on World Religions that will make them all equal, but will be especially solicitous (you can bet on it) of Islam, Islam, Islam.

Look at all the gushing bits on television about the observance of Ramadan, and Iftar dinners, and all those articles in every newspaper about "What it Means to be a Young Muslim Woman in America Today" and "What It Means to be a Young Muslim Professional in America Today" and "What It Means to be a Young Arab Muslim In America Today" and "What It Means to be a Convert to Islam Today" and so on.

Seen any articles on Hindus lately? On Buddhists? On Sikhs? Why not? Why don't we see gushing articles about them, or television bites on, say, Hindu festivals and other observances (why can't we find out about those?), or on the Five K's of the Sikhs, or on the lost lamaseries of Lhasa? Why not? Cat got someone's tongue? Or are all those other, peaceful religions, which are entirely unhostile to the political, legal, and moral institutions of the Western world, for that very reason to be treated as non-existent or uninteresting?

My. Perhaps Hindus and Buddhists and Sikhs could tell us a thing or two about Islam -- Islam in India, Islam in Malaysia, Islam in Indonesia. Now and in the past. We might learn something. We might find out that the problem is a bit more than Islam and America, or even Islam and the West.

Islam -- and All the Rest. That's the problem. And the problem is not with all the rest. The odd man out, the causer of the problems whatever other faith it comes up against, is Islam.

-- posted by rasputin

» javelin - We're Muslim-Americans - kill us, too

Thanks Kirk, great post.

-- posted by javelin

» Amooret_Liban - What Muhammad means to Muslims

when the Muslim community shows respect for the other religions of the world, I'm sure the rest of the world will show respect for theirs and the clash of civilizations will cease;

it is the other way around. Meaning that these "muslims" are crying out for help. Example like in Gaza, the Palestineans are being treated like 3rd class citizens, they dont have the same rights, their family members are being killed. But yet, when they ask the world for help, the world turns a blind eye. That is why they show no respect, because they are not even being treated as human beings. If an Israeli Jew were being treated that way we would all be called Anti semitic, but when u treat a Palestinean that way, you ignore when infact you are being anti semitic! arabs are semitic. Then will you see the clashes of civilizations cease. No justice no peace

-- posted by Amooret_Liban

» Amooret_Liban - Interesting Muslim discussion board

please you are posting that site like the muslims are terrorising the Isreali Jews. When infact the IDF terrories the Palestineans and Lebanese, dont make the guilty the victim. Because obviously Isreali Jews arent the victimsin this day and age

-- posted by Amooret_Liban

» doctorj2 - Interesting Muslim discussion board

One can claim that the Israeli Jews are treating the Islamic Arabs as second class citizens but one can just as easily argue there is good reason for this treatment. When Islam gained power in Lebanon they tried to eliminate the non-arabs and one can argue the treatment of Christians & Jews in Lebanon was far worse than the way Arabs are being treated by the Jews. Afterall the non-Islamic Lebonese treated the Islamic minority (when it was a minority) far better than the way the Jews & Christians were treated once the Islamic Arabs became the majority in Lebanon.

Take a look at Sudan and you can see that the Islamic Arabs are not treating their non-Islamic countrymen all that well. Indeed, genocide seems to be the Islamic Arabs "solution".

It appears to me that the Islamic Arabs are calling for the elimination of Israel whereas the Israelis seem willing to live in peace with their Arab neighbors.

I admit to knowing little about the Middle-East and Islam and what little I have heard/read comes from the US media but at least on the surface it seems the problem is more with the beliefs of Islam than other more tolerant religions. Of course, I am no fan of any religion. Aethists are probably the most disliked minority in the US but at least the government is bent on protecting their rights as citizens. How are aethists treated in Islamic/Arab countries?

-- posted by doctorj2

» Laughman - Dashboard Mohammed

"Michelle Malkin DID NOT SAY THAT!"

???

The very first sentence of the paragraph you quote is exactly the same sentence that I quoted.

"I'd love nothing more right now that to tell you what you are and what you should do with yourself, but Kirk would have to delete my post--and rightfully so!"

Oh please, Honey, do tell. I promise I won't go running to Kirk.

-- posted by Laughman

» lcha - What Muhammad means to Muslims

"The World" does not owe the Palestinians anything. Nor does the world owe the Israelis anything. The Palestinians are owed a right to freedom and the ability to pursue their happiness by their government. This is what the Israeli government provides for THEIR citizens, including 1 million Arab Israeli citizens.

The Israelis pulled out of Gaza a year ago. Since then the Palestinians have elected a violent government to rule over them. When you can show me that the constitution of this Palestinian government provides for the same basic freedoms for it's citizens that the constitution that the Israeli citizens enjoy then I will think the Palestinian plight might have an end.

-- posted by lcha

» stocktiger - What Muhammad means to Muslims

Lately I have been avoiding adding to this debate but the last few posts beg for further education.

In 1996 when Clinton was King their were elections in Israel. A few months before said elections suddenly there was a rash of suicide bombings in Israel. I WAS THERE and saw it first hand. The Israelis had a choice to elect a liberal or right wing PM. The bombings were done to influence the Israelis to vote in a strong right wing PM.

Why would the Palestinians do this? Did they not want peace? Why did Arafat sanction this? Easy answer, they did not want peace. I personally saw Arafats palaces in Jordon. He profited immensely while keeping his people dirt poor and blaming Israelis for it. Of course the same dirt poor folk were dirt poor before Israel was EVER a nation.

No one including Israel has clean hands in this mess but the constant blaming of Israel to incite the Muslim world is just wrong. Israelis want peace, they do not want control of the ME and for sure do not teach their children to hate Muslims in a school environment.

Violence begets violence and I for one am sick to death of the whole situation.
Golda Meir was right when she said "When the Muslims learn to love their children more than they hate Israel then and only then can their be peace." I feel deep sympathy for all sides and especially for the poor Arabic pawns the Muslim world uses to blame Israel.

How many Muslim world leaders have spoken out against random non-military attacks? Think about it, visit the ME and/or at least form intelligent informed opinions. This weekend their were more violent clashes between Fatah and Hamas, very sad state of affairs in Gaza but hey lets blame Israel (not).

-- posted by stocktiger

» rasputin - Obsession - Radical Islam

If you watch or listen to Fox, you probably already know this. This show will be on Saturday night and Sunday. Oughta' be interesting.

-- posted by rasputin

» javelin - Obsession - Radical Islam

If you watch or listen to Fox.

Is that the fair and balanced news network I've heard about?

-- posted by javelin