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» GROUNDZERO - lcha...

In response to lcha... posted by lcha:

Thanks... I'm now long a total of three, one at 1390.00, one at 1410.00, and one more at 1477.50...

I sent the spiral to you, it's probably the same thing...

Hey, have a great weekend!!!

GZ http://xrl.us/SpiralProfits

NOTICE: The time stamp on this forum is not Chicago Time, so kindly take this into account when questioning time and sales when trades are posted. The SP's are traded in Chicago.

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DISCLAIMER: My comments, replies, and opinions are general in nature, they are not meant or intended as specific investment advice to anyone, and certainly do not represent the opinion of anyone but myself. Individuals should consult with their professional advisors for specific investment advice. The spiral model is strictly experimental in nature and should not be used for trading purposes except by those individuals who have a fluent working knowledge of its abilities, mechanisms, and limitations.

-- posted by GROUNDZERO

» chlo888 - GZ--just to be clear---the spiral calls for us to be long

In response to lcha... posted by GROUNDZERO:

starting tomorrow no matter what correct?

-- posted by chlo888

» GROUNDZERO - GZ--just to be clear---the spiral calls for us to be long

In response to GZ--just to be clear---the spiral calls for us to be long posted by chlo888:

We'll need a close today above about 1476.00 or 1477.00 (we can't be sure because of the odd settings we now have for the moment), otherwise we will need to reconfigure using today's high... that would give us one more day... but if we close above the 1476 to 1477ish level, then we will absolutely have a buy signal confirmation today... we have another 100 minutes of trading today, let's see where we end up...

GZ http://xrl.us/SpiralProfits

NOTICE: The time stamp on this forum is not Chicago Time, so kindly take this into account when questioning time and sales when trades are posted. The SP's are traded in Chicago.

For free email alerts after each new position is entered, contact me at mailto:spiralprofits@gmail.com but if you already signed up last year, there is no need to sign up again. Just be sure your email address is the same. If not, then please let us know so we can make that correction.

DISCLAIMER: My comments, replies, and opinions are general in nature, they are not meant or intended as specific investment advice to anyone, and certainly do not represent the opinion of anyone but myself. Individuals should consult with their professional advisors for specific investment advice. The spiral model is strictly experimental in nature and should not be used for trading purposes except by those individuals who have a fluent working knowledge of its abilities, mechanisms, and limitations.

-- posted by GROUNDZERO

» BoltonCT - Why was Suite 101 taken down with no explanation?

Why was Suite 101 taken down with no explanation? Was it a link issue, a SEC issue, or a freedom of speech issue? It is good to see it up again.

-- posted by BoltonCT

» ganbar - What is Spiral Trading ?

In response to Why was Suite 101 taken down with no explanation? posted by BoltonCT:

Could you please give its definition or explain it in a simple few sentences.

-- posted by ganbar

» Normxxx - Why was Suite 101 taken down with no explanation?

In response to Why was Suite 101 taken down with no explanation? posted by BoltonCT:

FWIW, Suite 101 was taken down when Kirk decamped. Suite 101 rules require an Investment Feature Writer for the threads to be open to posting.

See: http://investment.suite101.com/discussio...

-- posted by Normxxx

» iivkovic - Why was Suite 101 taken down with no explanation?

In response to Why was Suite 101 taken down with no explanation? posted by BoltonCT:

Welcome back!

I'm afraid there was nothing sinister involved here. Simply, all Investment discussion threads were temporarily deactivated as Suite101 searched for the new Investment Feature Writer.

Please visit our main page to see what type of articles and blogs you are likely to find there.

Cheers,

-- posted by iivkovic

» BoltonCT - What is Spiral Trading ?

In response to What is Spiral Trading ? posted by ganbar:

Under analysis I have found that the spiral is almost identical to the Parabolic SAR, a well-known indicator that YAHOO provides for their technical charts. Google "Parabolic SAR" and it tells you how it is calculated and its strengths and weaknesses (primarily whipsaw). One should not use the Spiral or SAR alone.

Parabolic SAR, one of Wilder's well-known indicators. When applied correctly, Parabolic SAR can greatly enhance your trading decision-making.
Parabolic SAR stands for Parabolic Stop and Reverse. The indicator's name derives from the shape it takes on the chart (also looks initially like a spiral). When SAR first gives a buy or sell signal, its slope is relatively flat. However, the longer one is in a successful long trade, the more steeply the SAR dots rise. Eventually they take the shape of a parabola, rising at virtually a 90% angle until at some point price and SAR point meet. At that point in time it is usually wise to exit the trade. (Invert the description above for a short trade.)

Wilder was primarily a commodity trader, not an equities trader. On a relative basis, he therefore had far fewer "tradeables" from which to choose. His SAR system dealt with this limitation by always being in the market. The trader is either long or short, but is never out. When the SAR point and price meet the long or short position is reversed and the trader takes the other side.

Construction
There are a few basic concepts that need to be addressed before we can explain how Parabolic SAR is calculated:

Extreme Point
This is the highest price recorded (to date) during a long trade or the lowest price recorded (to date) during a short trade.

Significant Point
The SP is the highest price reached in a long trade or the lowest price reached in a short trade. It is equal to the extreme point when a trade is closed.

Acceleration Factor
The Acceleration Factor starts at 2% for a new trade and increases by 2% on each day that a new extreme point is reached. The maximum acceleration factor is 20%. For the SAR, no further increases are made after this figure has been reached. For the spiral this is relaxed and the spiral approaches a tangent to the trend. For all practical purposes the Spiral is only a fine tuning of the SAR.

Entering a position based solely on a SAR buy signal doesn't safeguard against the possibility that the stock could already be in an extended trend and close to reversing direction. There are times when there is a trend in one direction, and then Parabolic SAR gives a signal to enter from the other direction. After just one or two dots, the original trend resumes. If you follow SAR alone, you are whipsawed.

GOOGLE "Parabolic SAR" and you will find a wealth of information.

The plots generated are slightly different depending on the assumptions but the accelerating nature makes their timing reliability virtually the same. However Yahoo and other services provide Parabolic SAR free for most equities.

-- posted by BoltonCT

» ganbar - About Spiral Trading

In response to What is Spiral Trading ? posted by BoltonCT:

Thank you for explanation. Its a good start to do more research on this subject.

-- posted by ganbar

» jessielivermore - About Spiral Trading

In response to About Spiral Trading posted by ganbar:
BoltonCT uses something very different than Groundzero used.

You might start reading all of Groundzero's posts starting with his last one http://investment.suite101.com/discussio...

-- posted by jessielivermore